I am totally in love with how you make it so easy and enjoying the process of learning direct response… Ive been looking for this specific type of education for YEARS. Finally its almost all in one place. Thank you for moving the freeline so much!!!!
Joe and Dean,
This week I read a blog post(http://www.chrisbrogan.com/3bd/) about selecting 3 books and really using those books over the next year to REALLY dive into. This sounds like something amazing for me since over the past 2 years, I have noticed myself rushing as fast as possible to finish and not using the book the way the author meant the book to be used. I have created some competition in my head to see how many books I can finish in a certain time.
So this blog post by Chris Brogan really intrigued me. I started thinking this would be a good commitment to take.
My 3 books would be on these topics and ideas so far:
1. A thought book:
a. The world according to Mr. Rogers
b. The Essential Rumi
c. Ask and it is given by Ester and Jerry Hicks
2. The last two books, I want to find two books that will assist me in understanding how people think to improve my presentations of my products and helping the client solve their problem. Also I want to find a book that has actions I am able to put into practice to improve the results of my business.
a. ILM 50 podcast book
b. 4 hour work week
c. Impact Equation by Chris Brogan
d. The Art of Speed Reading People
e. Influence by Robert B. Cialdini
f. The War of Art By Steven Pressfield
g. Spin Selling
Do you have any thoughts on this process or any suggestions on other books?
You talk about Single Target Market a lot. That is what ALL the Gurus talk about but NEVER Do. Have you ever Surveyed your Audience? I don’t think you guys have any clue who listens to you guys. If you did, you would not talk about Carpet Cleaners, Real Estate or Restaurants so much.
You say that this Podcast if Free …All The F***ing Time. Just goes to show the Total Disregard of other people’s Time. They may not pay you money but they Pay Attention …worth more than Money.
This is why you should talk about Marketing in General …otherwise you should have named this program I Love Direct Mail Marketing. Stop bringing in your Friends ….I challenge you to go find the Real Thought Leaders if you wish to Freshen things a bit. Not the conveyor belt of Friends who all sound the same. Find out who your Audience is and give then Fresh Content. I will base my iTunes Review on what I see coming up in the next few episodes. Thank you!
wow. I don’t even know where to start.
1. On the one hand…you say ALL the Gurus talk about selecting a single target market but never do it…and on the other hand you blast us for talking about Real Estate agents and Carpet Cleaners. The single target markets we have spent the majority of our lives APPLYING the very principles we’re teaching. Interesting.
This is why we should talk about marketing “in general”.
2. I wonder who among this list is NOT a thought leader:
It’s nice to be friends with this list…of thought leaders.
I’m curious who you have in mind as a shining example of a “REAL thought leader”.
3. Please base your iTunes review on whatever you feel…if you don’t like what we do – for free – (couldn’t resist) then please accept my invitation to educate us on how it “should” be done by re-commenting with a link to YOUR 90 hours of content so we can learn from you.
Hard to hold the tongue on this end…JT if you can’t synthesize the principles that relate to the carpet cleaning and real estate examples in your own business, you may have quite a larger problem. If you desire direct support for YOUR business perhaps applying for the case study opportunity would’ve been right up your alley! Better ‘luck’ to you!
JT, I get what your’re saying about bringing on friends who are there to only increase their exposure. Joe and Dean do this because the guest will reciprocate in some way, some how. The interviews are somewhat interesting conversations and entertaining. However, they do not teach you anything of real value for marketing purposes.
Yeah, they have a general nugget here and there but only to cover up the truth of their visit. The lesson here is how to use other people’s lists —which is a very valuable lesson in itself. Unfortunately you have to figure this out yourself and you waste time listening to every interview.
Sadly almost all listeners don’t even see the ploy and worse yet don’t learn the hidden lesson. The guests are thought leaders but they’re here to be promoted and later sell you $2,000 courses on whatever they teach. I avoid the friends interviews because they aren’t worth the time for marketing value…it’s just a one hour ad. The friends have incredible business, tactic and strategy insights but you have to pay big bucks to get them.
Sometimes you feel like you’re getting great value from the guests but it is another hidden lesson. “Tell them what to do, not how to do it.” You get seemingly great and free actionable advice but when you sit down and do it yourself, you are stuck. To get unstuck you have to pay the piper $1K, $2K for a product (or $20k or whatever they charge for being in their mastermind group.) Joe and Dean do this, too, with this podcast which is an ad for the ILM conferences and their own products.
The reason for the constant “free” talk is because it is a tactic. Another hidden marketing lesson. I agree, it is annoying as all hell, especially from Joe, because there is little free of importance being dispensed as ILM drags on for so many episodes. But if they say it, then people will believe it. This comes from the late and great, Gary Halbert, and still-kicking master Dan Kennedy; they instruct gurus that they have to continually remind their minions what they are providing, how great they (the gurus) are, tell them how wonderful the material is, how lucky they are, etc. This will have the minions parroting the BS to others and instill deeper commitment to their guru.
About the carpet cleaner and real estate comment. Per Kennedy, your (the student’s) job should be… how to take what is taught and find a way to apply it to your business… not find a way to dispel it. This is a very powerful statement that Kennedy makes at many of his conferences/courses. If Joe and Dean would do it here, they may not have as many people sick and tired of the cleaner and agent and restaurant examples. I’m fine with it because I accept the premise from Kennedy.
FYI- Joe and Dean are direct response guys so expecting general marketing talk is not to be expected. I like the original thought behind this podcast but it has strayed as described above.
I have paid for Joe and Dean’s (and other gurus’) products. And many times they have been worth every penny because I used them! The podcasts here are a cute method to increase their list and sell to them (listeners) but offer little in terms of making huge leaps when it comes time to implement. These podcasts are designed to convert you into a believer so you are prime to be sold to.
About the “fresh content” comment. I agree. They are not providing enough freshness. They have to keep pounding some of the main strategies and tactics so that it’ll get through the listener’s head but there also has to be fresh content along with it. Kennedy teaches this. But Joe, who learned a ton from him, enjoys blabbing the “you want a new idea when you haven’t used the old idea” dribble. It is demeaning to listeners. And it’s tiring.
I check back here often to see how things have developed but it’s only getting worse. Save your time and skip the ILM podcast. Just buy the conference material and spend the time implementing that instead of pretending that you accomplished something by listening to this podcast.
It may seem like I’m railing into the ILM podcast but in reality this is the best type of comment and review that will sell more thousand dollar ILM conference DVDs. I heavily critiqued the free BS but still heavily recommended the paid product.
I could write for hours about the hidden lessons here and lessons from these and other gurus but not many will read it or even appreciate it… and I need to get back to a wonderful old course I’m re-reading from Dean that is perfect for my current project.
Wow, Dean. You’re on your way to get abs by 2016 and you’ve changed. More spiteful and mean sarcasm that I expected from you. Oh wait, was it you or Joe that called me a coward/not a real man, on an early ILM podcast? Whatev.
holy smokes that is probably the longest post in ILM history
25:30 is really applicable if you sell b2b or b2c
Btw this is the best PRACTICAL, actionable step by step episode, YET…
Keep pumping this stuff out guys, thank you.
Chung (real name)
This podcast delivers real value and a lot of practical stuff you can implement right now.
Of course at the end of the day Joe and Dean would also recommend you premium products. Would you anyway listen to people who talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk?
Joe and Dean, keep up with this excellent podcast!
I’ll probably regret this, but I’m going to do it anyway…
JT, if you’re not getting value, unsubscribe and give your attention to someone whom YOU feel values it more or whom YOU get more value from.
Dean, Joe…you don’t need to hear this from me or anyone else, but keep doing what you’re doing. Frankly, I think you’re doing people a REAL SERVICE explaining how to apply these principles (in basic terms) to businesses that don’t traditionally use direct response marketing.
I appreciate you both.
I am rather surprised by the ingratitude expressed on this particular thread.
I have learned a lot from Joe and Dean’s weekly efforts … and recording a Podcast every week is no small feat!
Every Podcast contains valuable information. I would agree that some weeks … e.g. the ad clinics, case studies, checklists and ESPECIALLY this edition … are more valuable than others, but every edition has some nuggets of value from both Joe/Dean and their guests.
Are they frequently trying to sell or promote something? Sure, but that is to be expected. If you are marketing properly and effectively, YOU too should be offering something for free … along with your sales pitch.
You just have to edit what you hear/read, regardless of what it is. E.g. I am also an avid Dan Kennedy newsletter subscriber … AND a Democrat … so I tune OUT Dan’s [monthly offensive] political rantings and just focus on the marketing meat of what he says. (Dan is well-qualified to give me marketing advice, but not to indoctrinate me, politically).
The occasional slant towards real estate and carpet cleaning is also to be expected, as that’s where Joe and Dean’s foundational skills lie. However, such disparate expertise only goes to show that what is being taught will work in ANY business … IF you apply it.
Keep them coming Joe and Dean … and THANKS!
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